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Here it is, the humble beginnings of a dot commer's vison of a brutal street sleeper. Got an opinion? Tell us what to do next. Think it's too slow? Hate trucks? Please tell us, we have no feelings that we're aware of so you can't hurt them.
Here is the link:
www.hotrod.com/projectbuild/113_0406_project
douglas
Edited 7/2/2004 6:10 pm by hotrodmoderator (hotrodmodera)
Edited 7/2/2004 6:10 pm by hotrodmoderator (hotrodmodera) |
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| | | | | 2727.2 in reply to 2727.1 | |
| It's ok, alot of work for something that looks like it pushed out its rings. Aerodynamically trucks are like a brick so generally suck in accelleration after about 80-90mph. I had a 70 c-10 for just about forever that I called alternately the mule or chevasaurus rex, it only had a stovebolt and a manual three, but I still dream about that thing and kick myself for giving it away. I have a 87 scotsdale 3/4 ton now with a 5.7L roller-cam'd w/forged slugs and a reburned chip. Oh yeah, dana 60 in the rear. One of the last of the two toned and steel headliner trucks, but it is just too new for me, I'm looking for another 70 or older. |
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| | | | | 2727.3 in reply to 2727.2 | |
It ate through the rings big time but it was a smoker already. We figured that everyone on this board had or has a truck like this so we're having fun with it. What do you think about the 406-408 build? Street sleeper in the 12s? We're determined.
douglas
Edited 7/2/2004 7:30 pm by hotrodmoderator (hotrodmodera) |
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| | | | | 2727.5 in reply to 2727.3 | |
| Edit: Ah, somewhere, nothing too special to look at. Looks stock. Gold upper-white lower, with white steelies (16x8)and the bow tie stock dog dishes. It is pretty fast for a truck; though the four-tens help. If I can't find a picture I'll go out and take another.
It can be done, though are you worried about losing your low end torque? It easy enough to build a savage mouse though the lump of the cam might give it away. How about a junkyard rat? I built a rat for this guys dually that was fairly tame but could just pour it on- he came back with massive mickey tompson drag radials instead of the dually setup and lowered. Boy it looked sick, moved too.
Are you gonna change the center support or do you think it can take it?http://www.battleboards.org/forum/index.php?act=idx
68 Formula S
Edited 7/2/2004 7:59 pm by KingCuda |
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| | | | | 2727.6 in reply to 2727.3 | |
| Hi, Doug!
Based on my experiences driving a 59 chevy pickup down the dragstrip 500 times or so....you need stall, and a fresh engine. I'd go with a big block, but since you're already on the small block path, that'll have to do. The big block would let you do the job with stock heads and intake and carb (saves the reader money, but doesn't help the advertisers much). A switch pitch TH400 would let you get stall to launch, while being sedate in normal driving, and probably allow running a mild gear for the freeway jaunts. Building a reasonably strong bottom end, with forged pistons but possibly a cast crank and small rods, will allow some nitrous abuse but also force you to keep the rpm down--rpm is what usually blows up engines, and is what keeps so many hot rods from being more streetable. As long as you keep the nitrous to a small shot, you should be ok, but watching my buddies with their nitroused cars, it appears the temptation is more than most people can stand, and the result is an engine that scorches a piston way before it's time.
ps. I wondered why there was a pic of a 64-72 pickup rearend being worked in the mag on page 153...I guess this explains it.
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| | | | | 2727.7 in reply to 2727.5 | |
We have bench raced a big block a million times in this thing but we cant get by the number of changes we have to make to the mounts etc...We scored the stock 4.125-bore 400 from the yard the day we were looking for a new bedside so we took it as a sign. Were big fans of nitrous oxide and the brutal hit it delivers so that influenced our decision to go small on squeeze. And we already spent the dough on the cheater system.We'll let you know if we twist the center support out of it but so far we havent't had any bad experiences with that happening.
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| | | | | 2727.9 in reply to 2727.7 | |
| The 70 pickups came with big blocks, the mounts are available (although it may take some scrounging to find them), probably less $$$ than making a small block 400 breathe like a mild 454.
The small block build is probably applicable to what more readers are doing, so I can understand your wanting to go that way. Although it would be neat to see an honest low buck big block buildup, it's amazing what you can do with a 454 without spending gobs of money.
Even the boat anchor 396 in my heavy longbed 59 truck delivers corrected high 13s with a Qjet on an iron intake with no nitrous, stock rebuilt ST300 converter, and 3.54 gears in the posi Dana 60 from a mid 60s GMC heavy half ton.
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| | | | | 2727.10 in reply to 2727.7 | |
| http://battleboards.org/ipb/uploads/post-18-1088824956.jpg
Here is a picture of my truck. She's kinda dirty right now, haven't driven her in a couple of months (it's Cuda time :) ) She will incinerate the rear tires at will. Gonna get rid of that rack soon, because it cuts fuel mileage and looks ugly.
Yeah, if you already got the 400 that pretty much decides it. Giggle stuff is fun, it makes you giggle everytime you hit it.;) Though it can toast a motor quick; oh well, such is gear heading. My transmission shop built me a TH400 (truck) that they warranty "If you can blow it up, we'll rebuild it for FREE!" which is pretty right on. |
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| | | | | 2727.11 in reply to 2727.1 | |
vison of a brutal street sleeper
More of a street lead sled. Do both, a SBC and then to a similar BBC and see what happens. Then go with a 496 BBC with oval port heads, or even smog heads. If you have been to Irwindale, talk to Randy Ingram - he has a 4x4 he bracket races. All the tech guys know him, he is easy to find. He did a SBC on squeeze to a best of @ 11.80 at Fontana. He lost a cast piston at the Hangover Nationals, and now has a 468 10:1 motor, and on the motor he has gone 11.76.
Edited 7/2/2004 9:02 pm by EthelkilledFred (EthelkilledF) |
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| | | | | 2727.12 in reply to 2727.7 | |
I know it isn't exactly "sleeper" with the whine and all, but did you consider a ProCharger? They are super easy to install and require little to no maintenance. The power they produce is incredible AND the same every time you hit it! You could KEEP your small nitrous hit too! I never understood why Hotrod has never done anything in depth with ATI. You even used a Paxton (Vortech?) on your big block a year ago. I think its a great idea, but you all know I'm biased! Check out Ebay, and Racingjunk......you're sure to find a used kit at a steal!Never count an Outlaw out! |
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| | | | | 2727.13 in reply to 2727.12 | |
I built a pretty decent 91 Camaro with a Vortech and a 383 a couple of years ago at Car Craft. It made 525 hp and something like 700 lb-ft of torque at the wheel. So you have a good point. Never messed with an ATI but Ihave seen some late model guys using them to go very fast in 93 and later Camaros.
Here is the story:
http://www.carcraft.com/techarticles/77458/ |
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| | | | | 2727.14 in reply to 2727.1 | |
| I like this type of stuff. I feel it mirrors what a lot of people are doing. I would like to see you do a little more suspension work to make it hook up before you go to the bigger motor. I doesn't make any difference to me what the vehicle is as long as it has a V8 and is rear wheel drive. |
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| | | | | 2727.15 in reply to 2727.13 | |
Me being the magazine wh#re that I am, I remember that article! Nevermind the late model guys either, You can do a blowthrough system as easy as you can tighten bolts! You said you plan to at least freshen the engine, add the right fuel system and some other BASIC stuff and you could have a hero truck on your hands! If that thing is two wheel drive, you alresdy have a "NASCAR" rear suspension! LOL. You know what I mean.....Sprayed, blown or turbo'd......its only gonna get cooler!
Watch out Lightnings!!!!!!! Never count an Outlaw out! |
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| | | | | 2727.16 in reply to 2727.1 | |
| It's about time. No one does anything with trucks anymore. I have a 68 1/2 ton pickup with a 327 and a decent body. It lays some nice black marks. I appreciate your decision to build a small block on a budget. I think you need to consider going with some boost though. Hopefully I can get some ideas from you. By the way, does anyone know where I can get parts for a muntzie 4-speed in Missouri |
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| | | | | 2727.17 in reply to 2727.16 | |
| Stud the mains, resize the rods, use forged 10.5 pistons and a set of 195 AFR's, a 235 @ 50 cam on a 108, an Air Gap and a 750 and a set of 1 3/4" headers. Gear it a shift at 5600 and cross at 5600. You will be AMAZED. Docile on the street and high 12's at the track pulling 4000 lbs. |
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Stud the mains, resize the rods, use forged 10.5 pistons and a set of 195 AFR's, a 235 @ 50 cam on a 108, an Air Gap and a 750 and a set of 1 3/4" headers. Gear it a shift at 5600 and cross at 5600. You will be AMAZED. Docile on the street and high 12's at the track pulling 4000 lbs.
Nice.......workd in a 3,400 lbs Camaro also...... |
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| | | | | 2727.19 in reply to 2727.1 | |
Does "dotcommer" mean unlimited bucks or totally broke??? There's both kinds nowdays you know.
Going with the big-buck senario, (It's more fun!), here's my dream:
(1) Peddle the existing engine at the nearest swap meet and use the proceeds for a nice dinner out on the town.
(2) Buy a new Cummins M-11/ISM (680 cid) in line 6, turbo diesel and an Allison electronic automatic overdrive to go with it.
(3) Dry sump the Cummins to get the engine lower in the chassis and keep the stock hood. Mount the dry sump tank in the bed.
(4) Tunnel the firewall back into the cab to accomodate the longer engine. (Rear of head would be about even with face of dashboard.)
(5) Do the complete Gale Banks treatment to the engine. Should make about 800 HP and 1200 ft. lbs.
(6) Put a killer Dana-60 in it about 3.00:1 ratio.
(7) Go out and show those cotton-picken Dodges and Powerstroke Fords what a REAL diesel can do.
(8) Pull a 32-foot 5th wheel trailer to the drag meet and throw a barbecue for all your friends after getting the trophy.
Hot53Pickup
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| | | | | 2727.20 in reply to 2727.1 | |
| I love 2 things: utilitarian vehicles (trucks, wagons, deliverys) and sleepers. I gota hand it to ya The truck has lots of potential. And with a bit of paint and body work it would look alot better beating up on the boys with there toy Camaros and Mustangs. I always wanted to build a sleeper out of a truck but I thought a ladder rack with an aluminum extention lader on the top would be more fun. I once raced a kid with an S-10 against my S-10, light to light. Mine had tall gears in the rear an a manual gear box so I ate him alive even with the lader rack and an aluminum box full of tools. My only real sugestion to performance is to run with the tailgate down or off. The drag has got to be eating up a few tenths! |
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